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fenix · Jul 31, 2009, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Why are you under the impression that HB = no prots at all? After all, what's stopping you from running 12 healing 10 divine 8 protection prayers + Prot Spirit + Aegis?

Because you're still running HB as elite, which is still a pile of shit. Run a better elite, stop resorting to spamming heals. You only need 2 heals on a bar. If you need more, you're bad at PvE.

glacialphoenix · Jul 31, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Why are you under the impression that HB = no prots at all? After all, what's stopping you from running 12 healing 10 divine 8 protection prayers + Prot Spirit + Aegis?

You can definitely fit prots into a HB bar, yes, but you try persuading the average PUG of that.

Also, uh, I have serious doubts about the average PUG's abilities to handle the prot spirit on top of everything else - many of those who run HB bars still run out of energy really fast. Even aside from the issue of 'are they actually aware of how to prot', how do you expect them to do anything like cast a 10e spell if they're going to be perpetually low on energy, GoLE notwithstanding?

paranon · Jul 31, 2009, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

You can definitely fit prots into a HB bar, yes, but you try persuading the average PUG of that.

Also, uh, I have serious doubts about the average PUG's abilities to handle the prot spirit on top of everything else - many of those who run HB bars still run out of energy really fast. Even aside from the issue of 'are they actually aware of how to prot', how do you expect them to do anything like cast a 10e spell if they're going to be perpetually low on energy, GoLE notwithstanding?

maybe not, but they aren't going to learn how to prot without prots on their bar.. i admit that HB is good for newb monks, it allows them to spam massive heals, but the next step up is a hybrid, and not enough monks are making that step to improve. The problem is that HB works pretty much wherever you go, so the average pug says, "its easy, it works, why should i change?"

Yes Hybrid is a better build and HB does suck, but you just try pursuading the masses to change

Unreal Havoc · Jul 31, 2009, 10:42 AM // 10:42

HB isn't good for new Monks to be honest in my opinion. All it teaches new people is to rely on spamming Heal Party (which alot of new Monks over heal with) instead of learning proper positioning and protection skill.

It has its uses in some areas but in general play I prefer to use other elites.

glacialphoenix · Jul 31, 2009, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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maybe not, but they aren't going to learn how to prot without prots on their bar.. i admit that HB is good for newb monks, it allows them to spam massive heals, but the next step up is a hybrid, and not enough monks are making that step to improve.

I highly doubt all of them are newb monks. If your goal is to get someone to improve, then yes, you would encourage them to take a prot and learn how to use it. The goal of a PUG is to complete the objective successfully - and if you're pushing for that objectives, many HB monks won't cut it.

Also, if they're having problems with energy management, they need to try to solve that problem before moving on to prot, or you're still stuck in the same rut.

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HB isn't good for new Monks to be honest in my opinion. All it teaches new people is to rely on spamming Heal Party (which alot of new Monks over heal with) instead of learning proper positioning and protection skill.

Seconded.

paranon · Jul 31, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

I highly doubt all of them are newb monks.

so do i, but yet they still don't make the step up to use a hybrid.

newb monks start with HB, it works for them, they can't be bothererd to change when they get better.

Tommy's · Jul 31, 2009, 12:18 PM // 12:18

I think pugs no longer want HB that badly as nobody runs ursan anymore. So in my opinion this thread could be closed, as the starters date is februari

Unreal Havoc · Jul 31, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Crucist Ovv

I think pugs no longer want HB that badly as nobody runs ursan anymore. So in my opinion this thread could be closed, as the starters date is februari

Do you pug?

A large majority of pugs I've been in lately always ask for HB or UA builds calling anything outside of it inferior.

paranon · Jul 31, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Crucist Ovv

I think pugs no longer want HB that badly as nobody runs ursan anymore. So in my opinion this thread could be closed, as the starters date is februari

Maybe you think wrong, i have done the zquest every day for the past week on my monk and every single time the other monk was running HB.

dark4190 · Aug 03, 2009, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel

Too bad that there is no sufficient conidtion removal other than spotless soul under healing.

/signed

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Originally Posted by Zamochit

However I am yet to see any semi-competant monk run HB without taking Protective spirit. I understand the need for faster casting in hard mode, but to ignore one of the most potent defensive weapons in the game is laughable.

/signed

I only run HB when I monk. Normally this bar (I know it lacks condition and hex removal): Healing 12+1+1; Divine 10; Protection 8
Dwayna's Kiss, Patient Spirit, PROT SPIRIT, Heal Other, GoLE, Heal Party, Healer's Boon, Ress Chant.

I don't know what I'd do without PROT SPIRIT. Its what I normally use GoLE's two uses with. Heal Party without GoLE is quite harmful to e-managment so I try to avoid doing that unless absolutely necessary. Patient and Dwayna are my primary heals, using patient if there are no hexes or enchantments on them. Heal Other if when their bars are really low and they need it. a "big" heal is needed in times, despite its 10e.

The biggest issue I find with this build is the conditions and hexes, primarily blind and hexes that don't allow melee to do damage(aka. miss), such Price of Failure. Everything else I just heal through.. f*ck it

Quaker · Aug 03, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Far to many players take this game way to seriously.
Its about winning and winning faster than anyone else has ever finished.

Sadly, I have to agree with this. Too many people look upon GW as simply a game to beat as quickly as possible. That's why they get so worried about the "best" build, the "best" weapon", etc. Nothing in GW is so hard that it requires the "best" of everything to do.
Also, of course, most players can't think for themselves, so they have to insist upon whatever build is "the" build to use. (Usually, whatever the build-du-jour is on PvX).

Jeydra · Aug 03, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by fenix

Because you're still running HB as elite, which is still a pile of shit. Run a better elite, stop resorting to spamming heals. You only need 2 heals on a bar. If you need more, you're bad at PvE.

Do you run WoH without both Signet of Rejuv + Patient Spirit?

Link6590 · Aug 04, 2009, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Sadly, I have to agree with this. Too many people look upon GW as simply a game to beat as quickly as possible. That's why they get so worried about the "best" build, the "best" weapon", etc. Nothing in GW is so hard that it requires the "best" of everything to do.
Also, of course, most players can't think for themselves, so they have to insist upon whatever build is "the" build to use. (Usually, whatever the build-du-jour is on PvX).

i recommend pvx to any new player. I don't get what's so bad about it...
Noobs who don't know what pvx is usually leads to bars like...
heal party/orison/heal other/healing breeze/healing ribbon/words of comfort/resurrect

Burst Cancel · Aug 04, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Do you run WoH without both Signet of Rejuv + Patient Spirit?

Yeah. In fact, I don't think I've ever run Sig of Rejuv anywhere.

Daenara · Aug 04, 2009, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Do you run WoH without both Signet of Rejuv + Patient Spirit?

Both WoH and Patient Spirit have a recharge of 3 seconds. If you are needing to heal more often than once every 1.5 seconds you probably should have used a prot.

Fleeting · Aug 07, 2009, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Do you run WoH without both Signet of Rejuv + Patient Spirit?

WoH + Patient Spirit handles pretty much everything. If someone's still dying too fast, Prot Spirit should be on your bar for just that reason.

Simath · Aug 07, 2009, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by fenix

Because you're still running HB as elite, which is still a pile of shit. Run a better elite, stop resorting to spamming heals. You only need 2 heals on a bar. If you need more, you're bad at PvE.

/highfive Fenix

Anyway, HB is overrated and used by heal party spam fans.

Jeydra · Aug 10, 2009, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Daenara

Both WoH and Patient Spirit have a recharge of 3 seconds. If you are needing to heal more often than once every 1.5 seconds you probably should have used a prot.

Energy cost?

Unreal Havoc · Aug 10, 2009, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Energy cost?

Energy management?

Weapon swapping?

Not overhealing?

Protecting properly?

Using the right skill at the right time?

Being a good Monk?

Jeydra · Aug 10, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

If energy is never a problem for good Monks, why are ER Infusers so lauded a build?